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		<title>Icie at 10:04, 27 December 2025</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;	&lt;/del&gt;|DateAsked=2025-06-07&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;|QuestionText=Hello again! &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;So I&#039;m absolutely loving this event and have another question re: the Spectral illusion/reality thing. I was workshopping Aemond&#039;s thought process re: getting from accidentally willing things into existence (e.g. his very disappointed mother) vs intentionally willing things into existence (e.g. his very cool dragon Vhagar), and feel a natural next step to that is &quot;okay well if I can will things into tangible existence, can I will Kelesis into existence too?&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I fully expect the answer to that to be &quot;lol no,&quot; but I was wondering if even just having those thoughts might have some kind of impact on the surroundings? A glitch in the Matrix type thing? Also, what would happen if he got on the network and told everyone to Simply Imagine Kelesis is there?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Thank you!&amp;lt;div class=&quot;edittime&quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;Edited (more precise wording!) &amp;lt;span class=&quot;datetime&quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;comment-date-text&quot;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span title=&quot;&quot;&amp;gt;2025-06-07 04:11 am (local)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;	&lt;/del&gt;|QuestionText=Hello again! &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;So I&#039;m absolutely loving this event and have another question re: the Spectral illusion/reality thing. I was workshopping Aemond&#039;s thought process re: getting from accidentally willing things into existence (e.g. his very disappointed mother) vs intentionally willing things into existence (e.g. his very cool dragon Vhagar), and feel a natural next step to that is &quot;okay well if I can will things into tangible existence, can I will Kelesis into existence too?&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I fully expect the answer to that to be &quot;lol no,&quot; but I was wondering if even just having those thoughts might have some kind of impact on the surroundings? A glitch in the Matrix type thing? Also, what would happen if he got on the network and told everyone to Simply Imagine Kelesis is there?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Thank you!&amp;lt;div class=&quot;edittime&quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;Edited (more precise wording!) &amp;lt;span class=&quot;datetime&quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;comment-date-text&quot;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span title=&quot;&quot;&amp;gt;2025-06-07 04:11 am (local)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;|DateAnswered=2025-06-07&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;    &lt;/del&gt;|DateAnswered=2025-06-07&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;|AnswerText=A clever trick... and should Aemond (or any other Spectral-type) attempt to will Kelesis into existence, then he will find &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;a&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; Kelesis manifested neatly right where he expects it to be.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;It&#039;s not the real thing of course, but instead whatever Aemond might imagine the concept of &#039;Kelesis&#039; would look like. Even if he&#039;s not conscious of having a preconception of what the city is like, it would put together &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;something&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; that would fit, or make sense to him. If other Spectrals were told to do the same thing, they would also imagine up their own version of Kelesis. (If multiple Spectrals were together in one place and believed real hard about it... it would develop into a bizarre conglomerate of concepts.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Advancing to &#039;the city&#039; would still not get him or anyone any closer to its actual borders... but he would be free to explore his version for as long as he didn&#039;t question the details too hard. It would fall apart under too much scrutiny, more so than creating an individual entity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;    &lt;/del&gt;|AnswerText=A clever trick... and should Aemond (or any other Spectral-type) attempt to will Kelesis into existence, then he will find &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;a&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; Kelesis manifested neatly right where he expects it to be.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;It&#039;s not the real thing of course, but instead whatever Aemond might imagine the concept of &#039;Kelesis&#039; would look like. Even if he&#039;s not conscious of having a preconception of what the city is like, it would put together &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;something&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; that would fit, or make sense to him. If other Spectrals were told to do the same thing, they would also imagine up their own version of Kelesis. (If multiple Spectrals were together in one place and believed real hard about it... it would develop into a bizarre conglomerate of concepts.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Advancing to &#039;the city&#039; would still not get him or anyone any closer to its actual borders... but he would be free to explore his version for as long as he didn&#039;t question the details too hard. It would fall apart under too much scrutiny, more so than creating an individual entity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Icie: Created page with &quot;{{Question  	|QuestionFaqPage={{subst:#cargo_query: tables=FAQPages      |fields= concat(FAQPages._pageName)      |where=Link LIKE &#039;https://enochlesis.dreamwidth.org/4871.html%&#039;}}      |Link=https://enochlesis.dreamwidth.org/4871.html      |Topics=      |AskedBy=perzyssy  	|DateAsked=2025-06-07  	|QuestionText=Hello again! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I&#039;m absolutely loving this event and have another question re: the Spectral illusion/reality thing. I was workshopping Aemond&#039;s thought pro...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;{{Question  	|QuestionFaqPage={{subst:#cargo_query: tables=FAQPages      |fields= concat(FAQPages._pageName)      |where=Link LIKE &amp;#039;https://enochlesis.dreamwidth.org/4871.html%&amp;#039;}}      |Link=https://enochlesis.dreamwidth.org/4871.html      |Topics=      |AskedBy=perzyssy  	|DateAsked=2025-06-07  	|QuestionText=Hello again! &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;So I&amp;#039;m absolutely loving this event and have another question re: the Spectral illusion/reality thing. I was workshopping Aemond&amp;#039;s thought pro...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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	|QuestionText=Hello again! &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;So I&amp;#039;m absolutely loving this event and have another question re: the Spectral illusion/reality thing. I was workshopping Aemond&amp;#039;s thought process re: getting from accidentally willing things into existence (e.g. his very disappointed mother) vs intentionally willing things into existence (e.g. his very cool dragon Vhagar), and feel a natural next step to that is &amp;quot;okay well if I can will things into tangible existence, can I will Kelesis into existence too?&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I fully expect the answer to that to be &amp;quot;lol no,&amp;quot; but I was wondering if even just having those thoughts might have some kind of impact on the surroundings? A glitch in the Matrix type thing? Also, what would happen if he got on the network and told everyone to Simply Imagine Kelesis is there?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Thank you!&amp;lt;div class=&amp;quot;edittime&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;em&amp;gt;Edited (more precise wording!) &amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;datetime&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;comment-date-text&amp;quot;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span title=&amp;quot;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;2025-06-07 04:11 am (local)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/em&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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    |AnswerText=A clever trick... and should Aemond (or any other Spectral-type) attempt to will Kelesis into existence, then he will find &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;a&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; Kelesis manifested neatly right where he expects it to be.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;It&amp;#039;s not the real thing of course, but instead whatever Aemond might imagine the concept of &amp;#039;Kelesis&amp;#039; would look like. Even if he&amp;#039;s not conscious of having a preconception of what the city is like, it would put together &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;something&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; that would fit, or make sense to him. If other Spectrals were told to do the same thing, they would also imagine up their own version of Kelesis. (If multiple Spectrals were together in one place and believed real hard about it... it would develop into a bizarre conglomerate of concepts.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Advancing to &amp;#039;the city&amp;#039; would still not get him or anyone any closer to its actual borders... but he would be free to explore his version for as long as he didn&amp;#039;t question the details too hard. It would fall apart under too much scrutiny, more so than creating an individual entity.&lt;br /&gt;
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